Category: News and Views
I don't have time now to post my views on 2008's election but I will when I do. Here's where you can debate, yell at each other, and whatever, lol.
brake out the watter mellon and fried chicken!
Don't forget the cool-ade!
You mean the getto aid? This is Chicago we are talking about!
RC cola and moon pies! Wooo hoo!
Ok?
Wow, how rasest and rude to the posters above. I don't care if the president is black, white, blind, def , a midget or whatever, as long as they do a good job and get things done. Both McCain and Obama more than likely made false promices just like every other president so they could get into the White House. With that said, I am ok with Obama but would have like to have seen McCain win because I have always been a Republican.
republican's policies are busted, we had eight years of them, and amaerica and the world needed a change. now Obama is in, the world is far diffrent now than it was when there was the last democrat in the whitehouse, and the democrats need a chance, as do the concervitives in the UK. give obama a chance! as for the black, white issue, i believe there has been a sea change in the US and martin Luther King's dream hopefully has come true. I would have voted for obama if I could have. now it is time for americans to change, for their world view to change and for the world's view of them to change. the americans are fundimentally good people, but their busted republican bush presidency made America the most hated nation on the planet. I remember the time when america was a beacon for all things good. This wasn't too far in the past. maybe Obama can bring their international standing back. Barac obama needs to bed in, so don't judge him immediatly. the republicans have fucked international and national policies so much, it will take obama soem time to make inroads into the shit they left. ttfn.
yeah bring out the fried chicken! lol
but i agree with codiac bear.
unfortunately i prefer obama over mckaine, but iether way their both fucked..obama is gonna get shot and mckaine will prob die of a stroke, and he's already showing signs of alziemers or however you spell it according to some doctors. But we'll see how it goes. hopefully he'll be ok. But yes, with obama we're gonna earn so much respect back from countries that used to hate us. Time for change! No more bush or bush wanna-be's!
Janelle, are you a prophet? Lol! Obama won't get shot, either. In this country, it's about impossible for a president to be assasinated. All joking aside, I am predicting Obama loses his vision once he gets into office, the stock market will crash, and America will get an even bigger black eye than it already has, Why? Obama wants to raise the capital gains tax so he can pay the lazy couch potatos to sit around and do absolutely nothing! Already, the day after he was elected, the stock market tanked, and that is why! He's bad for businesses. If the businesses don't function, he has no money to redistribute. Change will be for the worst, and that is my prediction.
i so totally agree with jessE. people just think that just because bush did a bad job in the white house, it doesn't mean mc'kane will be like that too. and anyway, obama's not full black. i dont know, it's just something about people going around rubbing it in my face taht, oh in your face bitch, we have the first black president ever. and i'm like, well fuck off, he's not even full black, so what ever. but anyway, obama said that he's going to riase the taxes and take the money from "the rich" people and give to welfare eating people who doesnt do anything with their lives. those rich peoploe got their money by earning it, pure and simple. it just makes me mad! omg! and i doubt if obama can bring this country out of the slump and raise its status in only four years.
Do you realize that if the “super rich” were to pay A ONE TIME 50% tax, their lifestyle WOULD NOT CHANGE ONE IOTA, AND we could PAY OFF the $13 TRILLION
National Debt. ALL OF IT!
So why was John McCain SO DETERMINED to make sure the “super rich” do not lose their money by redistributing some of their wealth through taxation? Simply,
because John McCain DOES NOT SUPPORT the middle class. John Mckain wants to PROTECT the “super rich,” not the middle class.
Yeah obama wants people who take home over 250000 to pay higher taxes, and it's not just going to the poor, it goes to everything
and yes mckain would do pretty much the same as bush, he only voted for the same things as bush 90 percent of the time. he even admitted to sharing the same philosophies as bush. Now tell me, where would that leave us..absolutely the same place place we've been in the last 6 years..nowhere
and has the stock market not been doing that since? whatever..
Why do Americans hate the word "socialist" so much, why is it as bad as a terrorist? What is this redistirbuting the wealth complex. Don't tell me that, for instance, Paris Hilton, worked hard to get to her super rich status, or the CEO who tanked his major bank, lost his employees their pensions, the customers their life savings but walked away with a 20 million dollar bonus, presumably for a job well done.
You can't possibly expect the middle class Americans who have sat and watched this unfold to support the continuation of those stradegies. I, frankly, don't think people earning over 250000 a year need much pity or more income and I feel they should take up a larger proportion of the responsibility for the society. This is enough annual income to buy a huge house in NC or buy a nice place in NYC in 8 years, why should they have so much money in the first place. All the power to them if they honestly manage to discover something that is really worth that much, but then it's alsotheir duty to help those less fortunate ones. In Europe we don't see pen handlers and beggers roam the streets, we have lower crime rates and a big part of that is because we take care of those less fortunate ones. I find it sad that here I would think twice bout going to the E.R. because, even with insurance and paying $150 a month for it, it might cost me 2000 dollars. Isn't that just wrong? It's time to reform the healthcare, the drug companies are making record profits time and time again and concentrating their resources on impotancy drugs rather than HIV or cancer research. Oil companies still have big tax breaks, despite the fact Xon Mobile realized all time record profits for any American company in the last quarter.
While I agree we shouldn't be paying for people who sit at home and do nothing that does not equal lowering the tax rate for the middle class. The middle class works the hardest in this economy and, proportionally, have taken home the least for their efforts.
I started out supporting MacCain actually, but as the ellection campaign progressed his erratic speeches, his smeering campaign ads against his opponents and the fact he changed his views and re invented hisimage every week totally made me lose all faith in him.
Whether Obama is the best man in the world to lead is a different question, but the trickel down economics that the republicans ahve subscribed to have clearly failed and it's time to try something else, something different.
bush made socialist moves anyways though and noone says anything about that..lol and their on obama. wasn't it not him who nationalized the banks? Wasn’t it the Bush administration that lowered funding for our troops and gave the money to Wall Street? Who was the one who asked for $700 billion dollars from us?
We already had a socialist in the White House.
not a good thing cuz america isn't supposed to be a socialist country.it wouldn't work..but Bush already pushed them in that direction. He adopted socialistic ways as a conservative, which just went and opened the door for Obama.
oh my god, I'm not racist or rude, it was a joke for God sake!
That beeing said, I'm glad the democrats finally stood up and said "kiss my ass!"
That is all.
I'm taking a U.S. History course just to pass the time and have recently studied about the writing of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. At that time in this country, you had to be a white male to be allowed to vote. All I can say is thank God I wasn't born back then. I am very proud to be part of history this year when we had a black man and a woman senator running against each other for the Democratic nomination, and when the black man won that party's nomination, he ran against a Republican candidate who had a female running mate. Progress can be a good thing.
Well, to address a few of the issues stated above:
The stock market slump started way before this ellection and one day of falling stock prices after the ellection, even quite a few, may have nothing to do with who's in charge. Seeing as the Dow plummited from a high of 13000 to below 9000 in a year before the ellections and then by 100 to 200 points yesterday, one wonders whether there is a correaction, disappointing earnings reports, global recession fears, investors pulling out of the U.S. for other opportunities, investors putting money into comodities, all of those culd be an explanation (granted oil prices keep falling and the dollar is very strong so the latter explaations are unlikely, however earnings forecasts and reports have ben exceptionally disappointing for this quarter, which is increasing invsetor panic).
The banks have not really been nationalized and the government stepping in to help is preventing a total colapse of all credit and subsequently the closing down of all credit to companies, credit cards, auto makers and home financing, which would bring the economy to a complete hault. There is a very energentic debate as to whether this package could've been implemented differently than the government using tax payer money buy up shares in the companies directly. But very few people think the government shuld not act to save the credit, both domestically and as a global leader. The banks had gone bust as a result of lack of regulation and oversight on the government's behalf, the free market allowed for banks and traders to complicate the cash flows from their investments and practically ide it, bundle it into products that were over hyped and sold at sky high prices to investors with no one responsible. This was very much a free market capitalist way of doing business and we are seeing the results.
I'm not saying the Soviet Union would ever work, simply because peopleneed motivation and opportunities and in a society where everything is controlled and distributed by the government the drive for private enterprise is all but removed, causing a stagnent economy, bereft of innovation.
What strikes me also is that people want more services and less taxes. Increasing taxes seems to be a complete taboo. But you can't get something for nothing. If you only want to pay a thousand dollars but get 10000 dollars worth of public services the money has to come from somewhere, in this case from outside investors who demand a steak in the economy and also interest payments which flowout of the country directly into foreign pockets. In order to create credibility the U.S. has to make tough choices, the government has to act responsibly and stop over spending, so do the people. Bush's spending is unpresedented and has left the U.S. government finance in shambles, the military is draining away huge sums of money and all this high tech force doesnot really manage to suppress a few extremists with home made explosives.
Basically it seems to be replubicans want people to keep giving money to the rich so they can buy themselves another air plane, and to the military without question so foreign countries can be invaded and then they have to pay for the rebuilding. Under a more democratic agenda this money would be channelled towards emergency care which does not have to cost you your life savings and towards better education, giving more people a chance at realizing their dream.
The economic concepts that increased tax breaks will provideincentive for increasing business investment, thus producing, at the end of the day, more tax revenue has failed in the 80s and failed again in the last 8 years. As a standard of living the U.S. is not even in the top 20 in the world.
I think it's clearly time for a change and rethink of how the country is run and I?m happy to see the beginning of this change emerge and that the American people understand this need.
This is a great country and I owe a lot to the U.S. and I want to see it regain its former respect and "cool" it had, only 10 years ago.
Voting for MacCain and Palin (even if she can see Russia from her house) did not seem to be that solution.
-B
wildebrew, that was quite an eloquent post. I don't have the time to address everything, but the stock market has sank over the past couple of days because of retail reports, not to mention that business doesn't see Obama as very friendly to their interests. Just wait until Friday, when the jobs report comes out, though. This is really ugly, "really" ugly. It's fun to blame Bush for everything, but Alan Greenspan could have prevented much of this if he reigned in the financial and mortgage companies more back in the 1990's. Decreased earnings have already been factored into stock prices, but as long as earnings continue to dwindle stocks will continue to slump and deflation becomes even more of a threat.
Okay, have to go now, but perhaps I'll post more thoughts on this over the weekend.
As far as President-elect Obama, just like any other mixed-race black, he's black when it's convenient for him. His bitch of a wife is a frigging racist, though!
Actually, not all the rich people earned their money. Think about the celebrities that people just give money to so they can sit and smile. How much work is that?
McCain would have also taken money from disabled people though, and I can name a few people I know who are simply too sick or weak to work and really really need the money they have.
If McCain keeled over dead we'd've gotten Sarah Palin as a president, which could be.... interesting.
I don't believe either of them are good for the country, regardless of who or what kills them or if they die. I don't think either of them fully believe in the good things America was built on, and we need someone who does.
In my opinion I'm absolutely sick of the state the world is in. Most of humanity is poor, wallowing in their filth, killing and performing atrocities in the name of freedom, God, their country, whatever. We need someone who will fight for truth and real change and damn the consequences; we need it more than anything else.
Yeah, there are sucky things about the constitution but the general idea, our freedom, is still a good thing. I'm not afraid to write my mind (maintaining a good train of thought while speaking is actually hard for me so I don't speak much unless pressed). You know what, ask Hanif for some of his sites that he's on about, then you'll see what kind of shit our government condones.
Hi, I was so disappointed with the outcome of this year's election, that I got up for work late the next day due to mild case of situational depression. I actually started crying during McCain's concession speech. I don't care if Obama is black, green, or white. If I don't like his politics (and I absolutely dread them), that doesn't make me a racist. I think he basically bought the election. I liked McCain's foreign policy experience. As for Michelle Obama, I really think she comes off as insincere and unfriendly. This is a woman who is going to represent us on the international stage. Sorry, but I don't think she's cut out for the job. I personally think she's a bit racist. If only Condoleeza Rice would have run for president. I am happy though for Obama, cause it is a historic election. But, that's the only reason I'm happy for him. I think a lot of people are going to have buyer's remorse. I think the expectations placed on him are incredibly high. But, I am so proud of my vote. I would have voted the same way if necessary.
The people who voted for or supported Obama because they wanted to see the first black president, and the people who voted against and opposed Obama because of his race disgust me equally. The racists in the US and the UK have come out of the woodwork. This time, the black racists are being treated as if they are the mainstream.I wish they would be condemned as much as white racists are. Racism is wrong no matter whether the racists are white or black, and this election proves more than any other I can remember, how racist America is and it would have done that if Obama lost, because the black racists would have said that Obama didn't get in because he wasn't white, and the white racists would have been triumphant that the "black" candidate didn't win. It's like 1930s Germany without the gas chambers, and Aparteid South Africa without the passes and what is worse is that there appears to be no shame.
Ah! 1930's Germany! This incoming president has been compared to Hitler on several stages! What if those comparisons have some merrit to them, and our liberty as Americans is really at stake? Do you think Americans will fight back against the political machine, or have they already been lulled to sleep by the rhetoric of change, and Obama's rhythmic and hipnotic delivery?
I feel Obama will get America on the right track.
Let's hope so. Dems are usually more peaceful presidents while republicans wanna make war, and blow up everybody that's not American...I'm registered republican, but the last 8 years have been crazy.
crazy isn't even the word.
One thing the republican party has failed to realize is the drastic change in the composition of the population. Whether racism played any part in the presidential ellection for or against, is somethingthat I cannot commenton, but what is evident is that it signals a change for the U.S. The typical American is not going to be white in even 30 years, the growth in what we refer to as minority groups far outweighs that of the cocation population and these new demographics have already become very important. A party that fails to cater to these new blocks of voters is not going to win an ellection, simple as that.
What I find interesting here, as a general observation, is how unchildfriendly the U.S. businesses are. It seems almost as people have to choose between having kids and their careers, there's little to no parental leave and very little consideration is given to childcare and family time. I am worried this will, in the future, change the makeup of the population hugely, people with less career oriented goals will have ost of the kids whilst the career oriented folks will have poodles until they're ready to have kids at 45 and then either try to conceive unsuccessfully or try to adopt a child.
I've strayed now too far from the original topic but I am worried to see this trend. So far white people make up the majority of the college educated hi tech service jobs but that g fact is changing as well. But, regardless of color, I think it's important for a new government to give people theopportunity to mix having kids with their careers and build up a well educated young population of new Americans.
verry well said.
Yes, the eight years past have been crazy, and I personally didn't want to put up with that for another potential eight years. change is good